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Title: Recovering Biblical Manhood and Womanhood: A Response to Evangelical Feminism by John Piper, Wayne A. Grudem, Wayne Gruden ISBN: 0-89107-586-0 Publisher: Crossway Books Pub. Date: April, 1991 Format: Paperback Volumes: 1 List Price(USD): $25.00 |
Average Customer Rating: 3.69 (16 reviews)
Rating: 1
Summary: Logically inconsistent, despite all the ink.
Comment: The thesis of this book is internally contradictory and, therefore, false.
Consider:
1. The Bible is true in all that it affirms.
2. Men and women are of equal value as human beings concerning essential human capacities.
3. God ordains men to be in authority over women crossculturally and perpetually.
These three proposition cannot all be true. If (2) is true, (3) cannot be true, since (3) would restrict women arbitrarily and thus show that they are not equal to men. If the Bible teaches both (2) and (3) to be true, the Bible itself would contain contradictions and could not be without error, thus contradicting (1).
Here, however, is a logically consistent set, which is also true.
1. The Bible is true in all that it affirms.
2. Men and women are of equal value as human beings concerning essential human capacities.
3. Therefore, women are not crossculturally and perpertually under the authority of men.
For much more on this, see the book "Good News for Women," especially chapters 2-3.
Douglas Groothuis
Rating: 1
Summary: Pink and Blue Hermeneutics?
Comment: I would have given this book no stars except that wasn't available. To be honest, I didn't read this book in its entirety nor do I have a copy of it. Therefore, I cannot quote from it.
As I stated, I didn't read this book completely (although I did skim through it). I couldn't. The first few paragraphs alone made me angry and disgusted. I did scan the book--looking for SOMETHING positive--but everything I read still had the same affect on me--anger, disgust, and most of all, deep sadness.
What I did see showed a major disrespect towards women (disclaimers not withstanding) AND Scripture with it's condescension, rigid attitude, logical fallacies, in-your-face sexist legalism, and overall faulty exegesis and hermeneutics.
It especially surprises and saddens me because in other ways, Piper and Grudem are fine theologians. Piper especially, is wonderful in "Counted Righteous in Christ".
I also think it is important that people know that this book and this viewpoint are NOT the last word on gender issues in the church. I have often wondered why complementarians fail to address the issue of potentially, if not actually, discrediting the gospel with their beliefs. Even more frequently, complementarians make the error of assuming that equality is worldly whereas male domination is somehow godly. Especially inconsistent is the ontological equality yet functional subordination they espouse. The historical record likewise tells us that the viewpoint that men and women are equally valued as persons yet have differing roles is quite recent--Tertullian, among others, would certainly disagree with them. If complementarians are going to claim tradition to buttress their arguments, they need to review the words of some of the early church fathers just a little closer.
I would only recommend this book if 1) You already agree with the authors' stance on gender issues or 2) You are capable of absorbing a great deal of pain.
Rating: 5
Summary: A Strong Response But Wisely Researched
Comment: Ah the joys of this Christian debate.
I only want to mention a few things. First, read this book if you are (1) a seminary student, (2) a pastor dealing with this issue in your ministry, and (3) interested in a variety of well written articles on this debate.
If you are looking for easy answers, this is not the book for you.
Second, I took a class with Grudem in seminary on this particular issue, and suffice it to say I am still working on this issue. It is important to say here that he does truly care about women and that this book is an out growth of that concern. I don't think anything said in this book does otherwise (regardless if you disagree with the views presented).
However, I would suggest that you would also read books on the other side of the issue. Even the four views book on this topic.
Be informed of all the positions' points so that you truly sort out what is your stance.
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Title: What Is the Difference?: Manhood and Womanhood Defined According to the Bible by John Piper, Elisabeth Elliot ISBN: 1581342918 Publisher: Crossway Books Pub. Date: August, 2001 List Price(USD): $7.99 |
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Title: Two Views on Women in Ministry by Craig Blomberg, Thomas R. Schreiner, James R. Beck, Ann L. Bowman, Linda L. Belleville, Craig Keener ISBN: 0310231957 Publisher: Zondervan Pub. Date: 01 June, 2001 List Price(USD): $14.99 |
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Title: Women in the Church: A Biblical Theology of Women in Ministry by Stanley J. Grenz, Denise Muir Kjesbo ISBN: 0830818626 Publisher: Intervarsity Press Pub. Date: November, 1995 List Price(USD): $16.00 |
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Title: Men and Women in the Church: Building Consensus on Christian Leadership by Phillip E. Johnson, Sarah, Ph.D. Sumner ISBN: 0830823913 Publisher: Intervarsity Press Pub. Date: March, 2003 List Price(USD): $17.00 |
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Title: Paul, Women, and Wives: Marriage and Women's Ministry in the Letters of Paul by Craig S. Keener ISBN: 0943575966 Publisher: Hendrickson Publishers, Inc. Pub. Date: 01 November, 1992 List Price(USD): $14.95 |
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