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Title: The Illyrians (The Peoples of Europe) by Barry Cunliffe, J. J. Wilkes ISBN: 0-631-14671-7 Publisher: Blackwell Publishers Pub. Date: June, 1900 Format: Hardcover Volumes: 1 List Price(USD): $69.95 |
Average Customer Rating: 3 (7 reviews)
Rating: 1
Summary: The Illyrians (Modern Albanians)
Comment: This is a message to J.J.Wilkes. Dear friend, you are embarrasing yourself with this publication. Tell me how true is
your evidence that illyrian language is not transmitted to the Albanians? I am an Albanian. My name is Ilir Mollosiu. Let me translate that in english for you from the beautiful Illyro-albanian language: Ilir means "free" in english and Mollosiu comes from molla which means "apple" in english. Mollosians are an illyrian tribe and you can simply believe that based on their name that has a meaning only in Albanian. "Illyria" as well has a meaning only in Albanian ( the land of the free.) The same simple reasoning can be used when talking about the modern Kosovar-Albanians. They are descendants of the Illyrian tribe of Dardanians. Dardania has a meaning only in Albanian. It comes from the word (dardha) which in english is "pear." If I were to be more specific, I could talk about the names of the Illyrian leaders that are still alive in our beautiful indo-european language (the Albanian language,) which is one of the nine indo-european languages. The illyrian king Hyllus has a name that is still very popular in Albania (Ylli) that means "star" in english. The other illyrian king named Bardhyllus in Albania is a very popular name as well (Bardhyl) which in english stands for "white star." The same popularity have the names of the other illyrian leaders such as: Gent, Teuta and Pirro and so many others.
A note to everybody who is interested in the history of the Illyrians: Make yourself a big favor and do not buy this book that is most likely based on unreliable sources when talking about the history of the Illyrians (probably serbian.)
A note to the author: You should spend more time in Albania and Kosovo if you want to write a book about their past and history. There you will find plenty of information that will make you believe in the transformation from Illyrians to Albanians such as art, costumes, names, syncretic religions {(a form of paganism lives arm to arm with the christianity) an example of this is the honoring of the sun and the moon in the north Albania during the burial acts together with the christian rituals where the sun is the good male power and the moon is the female demonian power}
P.S. Please go and spend some time in albania and don't let us think of you as a LOUSY anthropologist and historian.
TUNGJATJETA
I just wished you a healthy and long life. Your Albanian reader that was horryfied while reading your book Ilir Mollosiu.
Rating: 3
Summary: Hmmm
Comment: The Book was alright even though it did confuse some people from what i see.
I am truly sorry to dissapoint the Serbs-Bosnians-Croatians-Slovens and all other Slavic language speaking people but there is no way that you can be descendants of the Illyrians.
Almost all (over 95%) of these people speak the same language (called Bosnian or Serbo-Croatian), and come of the same European racial stock, descended from Slavic tribes that settled in the area in the early Middle Ages. The people of Bosnia are traditionally called Bosnians. For reasons having to do with recent history (and as much with 20th-century ideologies as with traditional religious allegiances), Bosnians whose ancestors were of the Catholic faith are now identified as Bosnian Croats (17%), while those of Eastern Orthodox background are now identified as Bosnian Serbs (31%). The largest group of the Bosnian population, however, are the Muslim Slavs (44% in the 1991 census), descendants of Christian Bosnians who accepted Islam some 500 years ago.
Like the rest of the Mediterranean region, Bosnia was part of the Roman Empire during the first centuries of the Christian era. After the fall of Rome, the area of Bosnia was contested between Byzantium and Rome's successors in the West. By the 7th century AD, Bosnia was settled by Slavs, who formed a number of counties and duchies. The 9th century saw the establishment of two neighboring kingdoms: Serbia (southeast of Bosnia), and Croatia (in the west).
I really dont understand why they are so ashamed of the fact that they come from Carpathia, slavic people are also a great people. But one thing is for sure they arent Illyrians.
Albanians(non-slavic) on the other hand are a different story.Data drawn from history and from linguistic, archaeological, and anthropological studies have led to the conclusion that Albanians are the direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians and that the latter were natives of the lands they inhabited. Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian apparently occurring between the 4th and 6th centuries AD.
Even most historians believe the Albanian people are in large part descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who, like other Balkan peoples, were subdivided into tribes and clans. The name Albania is derived from the name of an Illyrian tribe called the Arber, or Arbereshë, and later Albanoi, that lived near Durrës. And than you have the Dardanians that are today known as the Kosovar-Albanians.
These are just some of the facts ...albanians still even have the same names, same old traditions and same old language. Just read some more about what historians have to say.
Remember Agroni(albanian name) the Illyrian king?
Remember Teuta (albanian name) the Illyrian Queen?
and you be the judge
Peace
and good luck
Rating: 3
Summary: Hmmm
Comment: I am truly sorry to dissapoint the Serbs-Bosnians-Croatians-Slovens and all other Slavic language speaking people but there is no way that you can be descendants of the Illyrians.
Almost all (over 95%) of these people speak the same language (called Bosnian or Serbo-Croatian), and come of the same European racial stock, descended from Slavic tribes that settled in the area in the early Middle Ages. The people of Bosnia are traditionally called Bosnians. For reasons having to do with recent history (and as much with 20th-century ideologies as with traditional religious allegiances), Bosnians whose ancestors were of the Catholic faith are now identified as Bosnian Croats (17%), while those of Eastern Orthodox background are now identified as Bosnian Serbs (31%). The largest group of the Bosnian population, however, are the Muslim Slavs (44% in the 1991 census), descendants of Christian Bosnians who accepted Islam some 500 years ago.
Like the rest of the Mediterranean region, Bosnia was part of the Roman Empire during the first centuries of the Christian era. After the fall of Rome, the area of Bosnia was contested between Byzantium and Rome's successors in the West. By the 7th century AD, Bosnia was settled by Slavs, who formed a number of counties and duchies. The 9th century saw the establishment of two neighboring kingdoms: Serbia (southeast of Bosnia), and Croatia (in the west).
I really dont understand why they are so ashamed of the fact that they come from Carpathia, slavic people are also a great people. But one thing is for sure they arent Illyrians.
Albanians(non-slavic) on the other hand are a different story.Data drawn from history and from linguistic, archaeological, and anthropological studies have led to the conclusion that Albanians are the direct descendants of the ancient Illyrians and that the latter were natives of the lands they inhabited. Similarly, the Albanian language derives from the language of the Illyrians, the transition from Illyrian to Albanian apparently occurring between the 4th and 6th centuries AD.
Even most historians believe the Albanian people are in large part descendants of the ancient Illyrians, who, like other Balkan peoples, were subdivided into tribes and clans. The name Albania is derived from the name of an Illyrian tribe called the Arber, or Arbereshë, and later Albanoi, that lived near Durrës.
These are the facts ...they still even have the same names, same old traditions and same old language.
You be the judge
Peace
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